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Thursday, April 24. 2008Revealing Protest Against Beijing OlympicsPosted by Joerg Wolf in US Domestic and Cultural Issues, US Foreign Policy on Thursday, April 24. 2008 This is my favorite quote of the year so far: "Would we have allowed Nazi Germany to host the Olympics?" This awesome statement was found on a protest sign in San Francisco. German Joys and Andrew Sullivan have a picture. This statement is fascinating on so many levels. Not just because the author has not heard about the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. And not just because of his/her comparison between Nazi Germany and China. I find the statement revealing because the author apparently thinks that it is the United States as Master of the Universe that gets to decide who is allowed to host the Olympics. Apparently it is not just US presidents and senators (and plenty of slightly megalomaniac "experts" without any military experience) who boldly declare stuff like "we must not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon" or similar phrases along the lines of "We must not allow evil doers doing evil stuff." Apparently even the usually pretty left-leaning protestors in San Francisco consider the United States to be a hyperpower. Actually, right now President Bush is not making any bold statements regarding China. All of a sudden, he prefers quiet diplomacy. What a change from this second inauguration speech three years ago. Over at Atlantic Community, we have recommended a few press commentaries regarding China and the Olympics: • Chinese Outcry Against the Western Media: "The Chinese believe that Tibet cannot be the real reason for Western criticism of China and call for boycotts." UPDATE: Megalomania and arrogance is of course not limited to the US, but also widespread in Europe, where declarations about "not allowing" Iran, China and others to do something are even more ridiculous considering our real political influence and military power. I just wanted to clarify that this post is not meant to bash the United States, but to criticize stupid and arrogant people, who overestimate their country's power. These people are a danger to their country. Trackbacks
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franchie
- #1 - 2008-04-25 00:52 - (Reply)
I see more their ignorance or stupidity here : the fact is that Berlin did host the Olympic Games and that China is going to host them either, and that they have no power to empech them. Comments ()
Sandy Marthew
- #1.1 - 2008-04-25 02:24 - (Reply)
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Bree Von de Comp
- #1.2 - 2008-04-25 04:47 - (Reply)
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Chisa Fujioka
- #1.2.1 - 2008-04-25 07:44 - (Reply)
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Marry Anderson
- #2 - 2008-04-25 02:50 - (Reply)
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Lynet
- #2.1 - 2008-04-25 02:59 - (Reply)
Africa export more than 80% of its petrolum to outside world. Europe possess 36% share ,America 33% , China 7.8% , I don't think China represent a significant presence there. No need to blame them as neo-colonialist . if exploit do exist,there is no big difference from Bejing and from western powers. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #3 - 2008-04-25 02:54 - (Reply)
The thing about the protesting bufoons who irrationally think America so "all-powerful" as to be able to disallow the Olympics, is that they're usually the same people irrationally who think it all-evil too. Comments ()
Edie
- #3.1 - 2008-04-25 04:59 - (Reply)
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Joe Noory
- #3.1.1 - 2008-04-26 00:08 - (Reply)
I have never heard so much speculative nonsense in my life. If anything of the sort is the case, that broad swaths of teh public are arrogant but somehow conspire in evil, and no-one else in the work does any sort of harm, then [b]prove it,[/b] becuase I'd certainly like to see that. Comments ()
TO_that_JOE
- #3.1.1.1 - 2008-04-28 02:54 - (Reply)
oh! really ? Joe! Comments ()
To_That_Joe
- #3.1.1.1.1 - 2008-04-28 03:32 - (Reply)
British meida "Guardian" disclose something about British government 's manipulation on zimbabwe images. It question whether British government is qualified to teach zimbabwe, (British's former colonial state) a lesson on Human rights and good governance. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #3.1.1.1.2 - 2008-04-28 03:38 - (Reply)
Interesting that you still think I'm a palestinian when I'm not, and that as an American and an Arab, that I should no nothing of either, that we have a "minister" governing Palestine, and that a meeting by Arab journalists in Beijing should be seen as a sort of unquestioned "truth", acceted blinly as such so long as it is againt America. Comments ()
Lynnet Scorval
- #4 - 2008-04-25 04:38 - (Reply)
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Elisabetta
- #5 - 2008-04-25 05:02 - (Reply)
When you all die, Mr. Fowler is waiting to roger you to death... Comments ()
Marry Anderson
- #5.1 - 2008-04-25 05:24 - (Reply)
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Elisabetta
- #5.1.1 - 2008-04-25 20:56 - (Reply)
Mr. Fowler is, of course, the author of the seminal and definitive grammar of the English language. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #5.1.1.1 - 2008-04-25 22:53 - (Reply)
Yikes, I thought it was a another name for Mr. Scratch. But I actually like my inerpretation better. Comments ()
To_DEAR_Elisabetta
- #5.1.1.2 - 2008-04-28 03:47 - (Reply)
Sorry, I conjectured 'Mr Fowler' here. Mr Fowler is ,of course, one of the most talented linguist in our time.I have no excuse for my ignorance on his marvoulous linguistic work. If I read his grammar book before I would not make so many errors (esp.in grammar)in my posts. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #5.2 - 2008-04-25 07:19 - (Reply)
That's actually quite good I had to think about that reference for a while until I remembered that He has hundreds of useful and descriptive names. Comments ()
Lynet scorval
- #5.2.1 - 2008-04-25 08:50 - (Reply)
You mean Mr Fowler is fabricated by our friend Elizabeth, There is no background information about it. I guess Elizabeth had better way to vent his angry towards me . Using such a very confused calling lead to some un-necessory conjecture. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #5.2.1.1 - 2008-04-25 13:42 - (Reply)
No, when one posts the same tired old slogans and then uses the name of someone else that is simply laziness on the first part and thievery on the second. Take a clue from some of the more rational posts here, keep it short, no colors, learn how to link (Joerg has posted the steps at the bottom of the comments page) stay on topic and if you are Chinese then get used to the idea that everybody in the world may not love or even like you and might even say nasty things about you. Comments ()
to_Mr_paterson
- #5.2.1.1.1 - 2008-04-28 04:32 - (Reply)
Dear Patterson,you seems so emotional here ! Calm down please! Comments ()
Salute_to_Pater
- #5.2.1.1.1.1 - 2008-04-28 05:14 - (Reply)
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Mrs. Von De Comp
- #6 - 2008-04-25 07:18 - (Reply)
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Chisa Fujioka(from Japan)
- #7 - 2008-04-25 07:35 - (Reply)
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Pat Patterson
- #7.1 - 2008-04-25 07:58 - (Reply)
Pink and stealing the name of a well known Japanese reporter. Hardly provides convincing arguments other than indicating a very lonely Chinese teenager in a cybercafe hoping the chicks will notice his sang froid. Comments ()
Marry Anderson
- #7.1.1 - 2008-04-25 08:15 - (Reply)
Sorry,Paterson. Pink is not a good color for display, Azure is worse. Like the barbarian aborigines "Friday", I can not grasp the meaning of English. Would you please give me help as Robinson Crusoe did to "Friday"? Thanks a lot! I use color "chocolate" , Let's see its effects! Comments ()
Christian Poncelet
- #8 - 2008-04-25 08:07 - (Reply)
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Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9 - 2008-04-25 08:11 - (Reply)
Dear Kids, Comments ()
to_Dear_Joerg
- #9.1 - 2008-04-25 08:24 - (Reply)
I ignore "Kids" calling because of my respect to your authority. I am not good at English .I hope you can understand some mistakes I made Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.1.1 - 2008-04-25 08:32 - (Reply)
Your English is very good. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #10 - 2008-04-25 08:26 - (Reply)
Dear fellow from Beijing (according to your IP address) Comments ()
to_Dear_Joerg
- #10.1 - 2008-04-25 09:14 - (Reply)
To_Dear_Joerg: Comments ()
To_dear_Joerg
- #10.2 - 2008-04-25 09:49 - (Reply)
The rule you published here soundes very reasonable except the color setting for dispaly. Becuase I gonna leave I will not question them anymore.(including the rule against using different name by one guy) Comments ()
Zyme
- #10.2.1 - 2008-04-25 10:17 - (Reply)
"I had no such burden ("smear my own country's image") in my countries forum. I petition you and other people don't link me with my country please. it's untrue , unfair." Comments ()
John in Michigan, USA
- #10.3 - 2008-04-28 04:14 - (Reply)
Joerg - Thank you for stepping in. Long overdue. Comments ()
To_Michigan_JOIN(many thanks)
- #10.3.1 - 2008-04-28 05:59 - (Reply)
You finally pop up . welcome your particiaption . I guess you had done many thing behind the curtain. Your reply ,as long as it concerns me , no matter overdue or timely , I am eager to know about it. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #10.3.1.1 - 2008-04-28 07:16 - (Reply)
Joerg also asked that one name be used rather than thousands. Comments ()
reply_MR_Paterson
- #10.3.1.1.1 - 2008-04-28 11:12 - (Reply)
I respect Joerg requests. I gave up my original name "Merkel" because it is same to some celebrity's name. I gave up my preference of using color to make my posts better presented. I do not randomly use some journalists' name anymore. Comments ()
quo vadis
- #11 - 2008-04-25 09:37 - (Reply)
Joerg, Comments ()
Zyme
- #11.1 - 2008-04-25 10:21 - (Reply)
I would have considered it to be a joke as well. Nonetheless you have to admit that it is tasteless and lacks the most basic amount of international respect. Comments ()
franchie
- #11.2 - 2008-04-25 11:20 - (Reply)
I didn't read that the american conservatives found the slogan to be a joke, but rather stupid Comments ()
Fuchur
- #11.3 - 2008-04-25 12:53 - (Reply)
[i]I have heard that ironic humor is kind of an American thing[/i] Comments ()
Don S
- #12 - 2008-04-25 12:42 - (Reply)
""Would we have allowed Nazi Germany to host the Olympics?"" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #12.1 - 2008-04-25 14:20 - (Reply)
In 1936 many Americans were well aware of the situation in Germany and there was much talk of a boycott. Germany had already passed dozens of laws that made their intent towards Jews very clear. The infamous Nuremburg Laws were passed in 1935 so there was no excuse to claim that the other nations of the IOC didn't know. And the Olympic charter expressly gives the power to the IOC to move the games if the host is deemed to be in violation of the charter. Comments ()
Don S
- #12.1.1 - 2008-04-25 20:55 - (Reply)
Hmmm. Not completely dissimular to the current situation after all. That Brundage was a real piece of work, wasn't he? Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #12.1.1.1 - 2008-04-26 03:04 - (Reply)
I agree as the suddeness of the current events has brought up the original issue of what standards are used to select a host city. They are indeed available of the IOC website, but you have to dig and the actual contract is unavailable. But the invasion of Afghanistan occurred almost 6 months prior to the Games and allowed a boycott movement ample time to organize itself. However in the current case unless China does something even more outrageous the current Games will go on as planned. I guess if only a couple of hundred are killed no problem but when or if it reaches into the thousands then the public handwringing will really begin. But if I see one more profile of some athlete who works with blind children or cares for his mother who has elephantitis then I probably will use several batteries in the remote fast forwarding. Comments ()
Reid of America
- #13 - 2008-04-25 23:45 - (Reply)
I know it sounds selfish but I want to see the Olympics be a big success and the boycotts to fizzle. My constituency is far bigger than any other on the planet. It is the 6+ billion fans of Olympic sport. Comments ()
franchie
- #14 - 2008-04-26 12:58 - (Reply)
got some tasty news about Menard, the pseudo "reporter without borders" : Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #14.1 - 2008-04-26 19:19 - (Reply)
Haven't you ever asked yourself what made the "unbiased" reporters who take sides and the like somewhat suspicious? Just [url=http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2007/11/reporters-without-scruples.html]follow the money[/url], dude. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #15 - 2008-04-26 22:24 - (Reply)
Joe-The NED was established much earlier that the Clinton Administration, in 1983, but he wisely continued its funding. The group originally was out of a cooperative group, both left and right, of both political parties, the US Chamber of Commerce and most importantly the AFL-CIO under Lane Kirkland who was instrumental in supplying advice, training and smuggled mimeograph machines to Solidarity in Poland. Sometimes you send F16s, sometimes you send proxies and as much as possible send copiers and how-to-canvass pamphlets. Comments ()
franchie
- #16 - 2008-04-26 22:59 - (Reply)
Pat, actually, one of our senators, that has the same feelings as me on the Dalai affair, gave the guess that Mesnard had obscure subventions, funny, we see that man everywhere where there is a big mess, followed with his tibetan professional rioters ; that's not his association that can afford such an organisation. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #16.1 - 2008-04-27 02:41 - (Reply)
All you had to do was go to the NED site and the Reporters Without Borders site and simply look for their funding sources. They are required by law to post them all on their site. So the implication that these connections are hidden is not really valid. Comments ()
franchie
- #16.1.1 - 2008-04-27 14:40 - (Reply)
he, then you don't look at the same news... Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #16.1.1.1 - 2008-04-27 20:48 - (Reply)
Don't be surprised that reds are fixated on a hatred of democracy. In the DDR they advertised treatise after treatise to try to keep people convinced of the very same, and the western leftist academics parroted it faithfully and bitterly, often rationalizing in their passion about "the people" the fact that they didn't trust them, looked own on them, and though them too stupid to go without the guidance of benevolent tyrants. Comments ()
to_Mr_JOE
- #17 - 2008-04-28 05:45 - (Reply)
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reply_to_Joe
- #17.1 - 2008-04-28 06:31 - (Reply)
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Pat Patterson
- #17.1.1 - 2008-04-28 07:14 - (Reply)
OK, then simple question name one public media outlet in the US tht is controlled by the US government, either by law, oversight or ownership? And then tell me how independent Xinhua or the China News Service are? Comments ()
thanks_Reply_Paterson
- #17.1.1.1 - 2008-04-28 11:37 - (Reply)
Dear Mr.Paterson: Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #17.1.1.1.1 - 2008-04-28 11:53 - (Reply)
That's not the question and substituting affected by the government is a silly way to avoid the issue. There were dozens if not hundreds of article and editorials rejecting the reasoning behind America's decision to go into Iraq. Lack of knowledge about these arguments does not mean that the media in the US was in lockstep with the governemt. And losing an argument does not mean that the public was lied to rather that the opposite argument was unconvincing. Comments ()
again to_Dear_Paterson
- #17.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-04-28 12:51 - (Reply)
I admit there exists censorship in China. And China should lift up such management so that Chinese citizens can well-informed and using media to supervise the authority. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #17.1.2 - 2008-04-28 14:26 - (Reply)
But your "facts" are just plain siily. Comments ()
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #18 - 2008-04-28 11:25 - (Reply)
Jörg, that's a great observation you make on such risible and flatliner arrogance - including the appropriate clarification you added later, at the footer. Absolutely on the nose. Comments ()
to_Alvaro_and_joerg
- #18.1 - 2008-04-28 12:24 - (Reply)
I agree with you. He provide som many valuable background information and valuable analysis for our in-depth discussion. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #18.1.1 - 2008-04-28 13:02 - (Reply)
Reuter's has nothing to do with AlterNet which is a stand alone non-profit group founded by Independent Media Services. It is wholeheartedly of the left and once in a while publishes some interesting opinion pieces. Anytime one relies on these type of sites, left or right, then the consequences can be extremely embarassing as their motivation for publishing may have nothing to do with the truth but rather propaganda. Comments ()
franchie
- #19 - 2008-04-28 12:47 - (Reply)
as far as you quoting of Sarkozy's comments on China, it might be on the projected protections rules for EU against the "agressivity" of China marckets, and I suppose that the boycott of french goods that was allowed by Chinese government through the net, was also to make pressure on him as he is going to be the next president of EU for the next semester (he, Americans complained about it either); other than that, I didn't hear him saying things against chinese people apart what his government nice looking ladies said about human rights, (are they wrong ?); there are there for amusing the lefty gallery in our medias. Comments ()
bubbalovesyou2much
- #20 - 2008-08-26 22:53 - (Reply)
Wait a minute, any white American or European protesting against Chinese treatment of Tibetans or any other groups of people for that matter are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. These are people (white Americans) who are living in a nation that does not belong to them. Most of them are descendents of slave owners, so who are they to criticize and protest the Chinese when the Chinese probably learned this kind of actions from them? Apartheid, holocausts during WWII, colonization, slavery, etc, were all started by whites. But now here they are attacking the Chinese! How ironic! They just fear the quick rise and power that China is experiencing, and since it’s a non-white nation, every white person in the world is buckling at the knees. How about Free Iraq! If China bombarded Iraq, all these whites would be protesting and screaming. The biggest hypocrites in the world are whites! Comments ()
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