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Sunday, June 15. 2008More Combat Deaths in Afghanistan Than in IraqPosted by Joerg Wolf in US Foreign Policy on Sunday, June 15. 2008 American and allied combat deaths in Afghanistan in May passed the monthly toll in Iraq for the first time. Defense Secretary Robert Gates used the statistical comparison to dramatize his point to NATO defense ministers that they need to do more to get Afghanistan moving in a better direction. He wants more allied combat troops, more trainers and more public commitment. Trackbacks
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John in Michigan, USA
- #1 - 2008-06-16 04:18 - (Reply)
"One month does not make a trend" Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2 - 2008-06-16 10:54 - (Reply)
Serves us right for depending on a coalition that has some nations in it who are more interest in their public image than anything else. Comments ()
Zyme
- #2.1 - 2008-06-16 14:22 - (Reply)
Arguably a more difficult terrain will create more casualties than what you seem to call populistic allies. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1 - 2008-06-16 15:43 - (Reply)
Why more now than two years ago? This is a consequence of coalition partners wanting to show themselves to be there, and then leaving the risk to a handful of the parties. Comments ()
David
- #2.1.2 - 2008-06-18 07:08 - (Reply)
Even south Korea government has some thin political skill than washington and Nato. Why did they agreed talk with Taliban and their citians were free when they were about to be kill all if they didn't agree for that peace. So washington and Nato are not fighting in Afganistan for human right or defend their nations but they are fighting for their political arrogances and for these people know less in politics may thinks that they are superpower while they supporting superpowerless and wars criminal of 21st century, if south Korea government made peace with Taliban even Nato can do so even if washington wanted to compare her empire to be more strong than the former soviet union who left that nation. In Iraq this will tell to people in world that once before whole people in world live in Iraq but due to planed of built of babel tower the HOLY CREATOR confused the nations and created the nationalism against them so that they should not be destroy all by satan idealism of evil. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.2.1 - 2008-06-18 07:57 - (Reply)
I don't think that this comment is the David that usually comments here. I might disagree with David's logic but this entry appears demented. Comments ()
Fred
- #2.2 - 2008-06-18 07:29 - (Reply)
Joe, typically nations are mostly interested in their own benefite (actually most often in the benefite of those making the decisions) speaking of which: In which way would it be benefitial to the coalition nations in question to invest more in Afghanistan (as opposed to simply pulling out)? Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.2.1 - 2008-06-18 13:15 - (Reply)
Actually, many Europeans seem to get pretty perky and excited about American deaths. Just google "9/11 in Paris". Comments ()
Fred
- #2.2.1.1 - 2008-06-18 19:14 - (Reply)
Most certainly there are extreme positions in Europe. But then again you find those people most anywhere including the United States. I'm not sure how your post pertains to the overall topic but allow me to ask a question here. How much of your rather continous outrage concerning all things European is actually fuelled by hurt feelings/pride? I freely admit this is a very subjectiv impression but I sometimes can help to think you and many of your fellow-posters feel betrayed by the current foreign politics of several european states and essentially come her to poke fun, ridicule and taunt at every opportunity thereby doing exactly the same thing you critisised in European (media). Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #2.2.1.1.1 - 2008-06-19 01:29 - (Reply)
‘How much of your rather continous outrage concerning all things European is actually fuelled by hurt feelings/pride?’ Comments ()
Fred
- #2.2.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-19 02:15 - (Reply)
That is certainly a perfectly valid opinion ( even if not necessarily, in my opinion, a factual correct one ) in which case you should take it up with your executive branche. Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #2.2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-19 05:38 - (Reply)
I do, every four years. In the mean time, what's factually incorrect about it? Comments ()
Fred
- #2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-20 03:18 - (Reply)
What is the price tag of Nato exactly? Yes the US maintains a widespread (and rather costly I imagine) net of bases around the globe but let's get real here: this is mostly to further US geopolitical goals. Someone once described Germany's roll to the US as the world's biggest aircraft-carrier - with sausages. You need a steeping stone on the other side of the Atlantic to project your influence into the Middle East, a none hostile, stable, preferably technical advanced nation. Sure there are others that fit this bill in eastern europe and elsewhere. You could shift the bases and I doubt anyone would seriously complain apart from some village mayors but where would be the upside for the US? Only more costs. So what are the standing costs for Nato. Well there is all that brass in Brussel somewhere but that bill is diveded among member states. Probably the occasional manoeuver. Frankly I have no idea how much you have to fork over for such things but I can't imagine it's all that much. On the plus side there are about 10000-15000 Nato troops in Afghanistan not quite the fast legions you seem to expect but not completly useless either. Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 - 2008-06-21 07:50 - (Reply)
As near as I can tell there are about 35 US military bases in Europe and, as you point out, they are costly. As you also point out, we need a stepping stone to the Mid-East. The operative word there is ‘A (singular) stepping stone’. Clearly we would not want to figuratively put all our eggs in one basket, or one base, but we do not, by any stretch of the imagination, require 35. However, your assertion that there would be no upside for the US, only more costs, is clearly based on the mistaken belief that all 35 of those bases would be moved. Sorry to disabuse you, Fred, but they won’t be. Many of them, probably most of them, would be closed, the remainder would move east, I would guess Poland, Croatia, maybe Montenegro. If you don’t think this would result in major cost savings, then you really need to reduce your recreational drug use. However, this is only half the picture. As long as we remain in NATO we are required to provide not only for our own defense, but also for yours. Do they still run REFORGER every year? Probably only as a computer simulation, but you can bet the OpPlan is still kept current somewhere and we are still required to maintain at least notional taskings of units to carry out that mission. If we could get our from under that alone it would probably buy us another F-22. Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #2.2.2 - 2008-06-19 01:09 - (Reply)
It isn't, which is why they will do neither and simply maintain the status quo. This allows them to maintain the pretence of participation in a NATO Article 5 mandated operation at minimal cost to themselves. By the way, bit of a transparent strawman there, don't you think? Comments ()
Fred
- #2.2.2.1 - 2008-06-19 02:01 - (Reply)
By the way, bit of a transparent strawman there, don't you think? Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #2.2.2.1.1 - 2008-06-19 05:19 - (Reply)
Sorry, wrong logical fallacy. Should have been false dichotomy. Comments ()
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