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"Curveball" Talks (or rather: Lies) AgainPosted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Friday, June 20. 2008 "Curveball" is the Iraqi exile whose lies were key to the Bush administrations case against Saddam on alleged WMDs, although US intelligence agents were not allowed to talk to him. He was an informant of the German Bundesnachrichtendienst. Thus many Americans criticized Germany later on, when they realized his stories about WMD were nonsense. Michael Stickings writes that "Curveball" has now spoken publicly. Michael isn't impressed and concludes in The Moderate Voice: The Bush Administration didn't get it so wrong because of Curveball, however much of a liar he may have been, but because it didn't seem to matter to the warmongers from Bush on down whether they got it right or wrong at all. There were ample warnings questioning Curveballs credibility, as well as the credibility of other such sources, but the warmongers believed what they wanted to believe, so rooted were they in their own fanaticism, and didn't let anything like the truth get in the way. Still, I wish German and American intelligence agencies would cooperate more so that politicians cannot later blame the other country's agencies for misinformation, but that is probably too much to expect. Well, sometimes they work well together: German spy received US medal for support to combat operations in Iraq in 2003 and German Intelligence gave U.S. Iraqi defense plan. Welcome! You are reading the ATLANTIC REVIEW -- a Press Digest on Transatlantic Relations combined with commentary and analysis by four young professionals from Germany, the Netherlands and the United States. More about us. The horizontal menu bar at the top helps to navigate this site. Subscribe to one of our RSS-Feeds or to our newsletter, which is emailed twice per month.Trackbacks
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Elisabetta
- #1 - 2008-06-20 01:48 - (Reply)
Why you are giving 'curveball' space alongside the moderate voice? Who is 'curveball'?
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #1.1 - 2008-06-20 20:07 - (Reply)
What's your point?
Joe Noory
- #1.1.1 - 2008-06-20 21:29 - (Reply)
Her point is that teh war was authorized by congress, and the idea of a character such as "Curveball", once made available can always get hist story aired so long as it, how shall we put it, fits a profile.
Elisabetta
- #1.1.2 - 2008-06-20 22:07 - (Reply)
The point, rather intemperately made I admit and apologise, is that "Curveball" in the larger scheme of things is a non-entity; and to any objective evaluator of the reasons, right or wrong, relied upon to wage war, the professed intelligence of this guy in Baghdad will not make a footnote in the historians' annals.
David
- #1.1.3 - 2008-06-20 22:34 - (Reply)
"Please dont be a stupid cunt:"
John in Michigan, USA
- #1.1.3.1 - 2008-06-21 03:29 - (Reply)
Still waiting for a European to condemn David for being an American prude...waiting....still waiting...Oh, silly of me, leftists and their politicians have different rules. They really are better than us and shouldn't be held back by conventional morality...never mind.
Joe Noory
- #1.1.3.2 - 2008-06-21 15:56 - (Reply)
How is anyone's casual opinion more important than the BND's actions? Or doesn't that matter when you're constructing a specious hall of mirrors?
Pat Patterson
- #2 - 2008-06-20 05:36 - (Reply)
It's not often do you see warmongers and moderate used in the same sentence!
Joe Noory
- #3 - 2008-06-20 14:13 - (Reply)
So the BND was not responsible for the BND's report? Is this how governments that pointed to as the gold standard (always comparatively against "you know who") supposed to work?
David
- #4 - 2008-06-20 14:17 - (Reply)
It is worth reading the original article in the LA Times. Curveball's co-workers at Burger King in Nuernberg knew the guy was a pathological liar:
Joe Noory
- #4.1 - 2008-06-20 14:30 - (Reply)
No David, the BND included him in his report despite his co-workers later saying that he was a pathological liar.
Anonymous
- #4.1.1 - 2008-06-20 17:33 - (Reply)
Joe to be fair here, I'm easy to convince where stupidity, corruption or sheer incompetence of nearly any institution is concerned but any of this among the German Intelligence (and there is plenty) was matched twice by the American political elite.
Fred
- #4.1.1.1 - 2008-06-20 17:36 - (Reply)
God damn it. Once again that was me - not remembering to write my fucking name in the headline.
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #4.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-20 19:56 - (Reply)
No problem, Fred.
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #4.1.2 - 2008-06-20 20:00 - (Reply)
@Joe
Joe Noory
- #4.1.2.1 - 2008-06-21 20:34 - (Reply)
Did he use chemical weapons or didn't he? Was he a mass murderer of wasn't he? Wouldn't Saddam have made IRaq an even bigger host to a well funded terror training if he thought it would really work for him? Isn't keeping busy and off our turf the terroisty proxies funded by the Iranians, Syrians, privately donating Wahabists, and the like?
Joe Noory
- #4.1.2.2 - 2008-06-22 17:55 - (Reply)
You'll note that the "WMD as the only reason for war" meme was something that emmerged from the repetative pro-Saddam "peace" camp 6 months after the tanks started rolling.
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #4.1.2.2.1 - 2008-06-22 18:56 - (Reply)
"You'll note that the "WMD as the only reason for war" meme"
John in Michigan, USA
- #4.1.2.2.1.1 - 2008-06-22 20:40 - (Reply)
Joerg,
John in Michigan, USA
- #4.1.2.2.2 - 2008-06-22 20:17 - (Reply)
Joe,
John in Michigan, USA
- #5 - 2008-06-20 15:28 - (Reply)
Says the LA Times, Curveball "...worked as a technician at Babel, a Baghdad film and TV company that produced adoring documentaries about Hussein"
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #5.1 - 2008-06-20 20:13 - (Reply)
"Saddam had the capability to start anthrax production within one week of making the decision to do so, and thereafter to produce more than 10 tons of weaponized anthrax a year."
John in Michigan, USA
- #5.1.1 - 2008-06-21 04:51 - (Reply)
Joerg,
Option 3) could theoretically include a rouge person or cell operating within the US government, but almost certainly not acting at the behest of the government; if it had, someone with knowledge would have emerged by now.
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- #6 - 2008-06-20 20:08 - (Reply)
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