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Sunday, July 12. 2009Obama as Chancellor of Weimar AmericaPosted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Sunday, July 12. 2009
The latest example is Jim DeMint, Republican Senator from South Carolina. According to The Washington Independent he made the following statement, when promoting his book at The National Press Club:
Aha, I see, Iraq and Afghanistan and the current recession are for the United States what the WWI and the depression were for Germany. And the oldest modern democracy in Washington is still as immature as the Weimar Republic's, started after WWI. So Obama is running Weimar America. OMG! People, get your guns, Hitler is just around the corner! DeMint seems to be the first senator, who lowers the debate about Obama's reforms to the level of right-wing talk radio shock jocks and bloggers, who have been talking talking about "pre-WWII Germany," writes Steve Benen in the Washington Monthly's blog. Are these just the statements of a few nut cases? Or is there more to it? Should we take their thinking serious? I think we have to, because many conservative Americans seem to be paranoid about social democracy, and they understand history much different than most folks in Europe do. Many are not crazy or stupid or lack general education, but they draw different lessons from history. This is a serious and fascinating transatlantic difference. Apparently, as Michael Stickings writes in The Moderate Voice, "the Obama-is-a-socialist and socialism-is-fascism (and hence Obama-is-a-fascist) memes are big on the right, and DeMint was obviously riffing off that ridiculous connection. But what I think he was saying - or, at least, it's how it reads to me - is that social democracy is a precursor to fascism, just as Nazi Germany replaced Weimar Germany. In this sense, Obama isn't a Nazi but a pre-Nazi - or something like that." Ed Kilgore explains in The New Republic's blog, that DeMint
Yglesias is reading a lot into DeMint's statement and made this exaggeration: "DeMint Confuses Nazis and Social Democrats; Also Calls Obama a Nazi" Ah, it's all politics! Every stupid statement of your opponents can be used for politics. Last week, I wrote about Another Crazy Bush-Hitler Comparison. But this one is even worse: Joyce E. Thomann, president of the Republican Women of Anne Arundel County, wrote, according to the Baltimore Sun, in a letter on the group's homepage that "Obama and Hitler have a great deal in common in my view. Obama and Hitler use the 'blitzkrieg' method to overwhelm their enemies." Yes, of course, but Hitler didn't use a teleprompter. BTW, did DeMint imply that Iran is some "place" in South America? Ah, so maybe it is a lack of education after all. Trackbacks
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Joerg Wolf
- #1 - 2009-07-12 18:28 - (Reply)
Just to add some skepticism on my last point regarding the lack of education: "Higher Education Fuels Stronger Belief in Ghosts" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #1.1 - 2009-07-13 02:47 - (Reply)
I noticed you dropped the inference that Sen DeMint didn't know the difference between the location of Iran and Central America. Good thing as the Senator speaks Spanish and his prior duties when a Representative was Central and South America. He currently is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and has traveled extensively, junkets if you want, to both Africa and Europe. He also was one of the first senators to begin talking about the slow motion butchery of Sudan and Darfur. Comments ()
Don S
- #2 - 2009-07-12 20:03 - (Reply)
All Presidents get compared to Hitler sooner or later. It's part of the job. This time it was a US Senator rather than the German Justice Minister. Comments ()
Don S
- #3 - 2009-07-12 20:06 - (Reply)
I don't expect the justice minister to do it this time. No, it will be everyone's favorite loose cannon - the current finance minister. When he gets tired of threatening the Swiss with the less than threatening German armed forces hes likely to train his sights on Obama.... Comments ()
Pamela
- #4 - 2009-07-13 21:35 - (Reply)
Joerg, Comments ()
Zyme
- #4.1 - 2009-07-13 23:02 - (Reply)
Pamela my first thought on this was that this verdict does not necessarily put an end to EU integration. Should the European wind blow uncontinued, it may eventually put an end to the German constitutional court's power. The catholic church surely didn't survive 2000 years because it always had a strict stance in politics, rather by continously adjusting to the political weather. Neither does our constitution have to last forever, should it be used as the primary shield against progress instead of adjusting it. Comments ()
Pamela
- #4.1.1 - 2009-07-14 19:02 - (Reply)
World Socialist Web Site! Interesting reading habits you have there....... Comments ()
Zyme
- #4.1.1.1 - 2009-07-14 21:48 - (Reply)
"Interesting reading habits you have" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #4.1.2 - 2009-07-14 23:17 - (Reply)
I wouldn't use the Catholic Church as an example here as its evolvement simply had more to do with the Reformation and Gustavus Adolphus. It seems fairly farfetched to imply that this was a peaceful adaptation rather than simply a series of wars over centuries in both the Old and New Worlds as the battlefield. But are you suggesting that some physical force might limit the sway of a German court in relation to the European Court? Comments ()
Zyme
- #4.1.2.1 - 2009-07-14 23:32 - (Reply)
Oh don't neglect the first 1500 years of its existence :) Comments ()
Zyme
- #4.1.2.2 - 2009-07-14 23:33 - (Reply)
*sought Comments ()
John in Michigan, US
- #5 - 2009-07-15 10:07 - (Reply)
Well, DeMint has done off the deep end with this one. I don't know his career well enough to know if he really believes it, or if he is telling certain people what they want to hear and using quite a bit of dramatic license. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #6 - 2009-07-15 17:14 - (Reply)
Has anybody found the full transcript of DeMint's remarks. Every link I found refers back to The Washington Independent which is part of the more than slightly left IndyMedia groups in the US. And they only post that one paragraph which the NPC site doesn't even mention in its description of the luncheon speakers. Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #6.1 - 2009-07-15 17:24 - (Reply)
I noticed that as well, when I wrote the post. Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #6.2 - 2009-07-15 19:10 - (Reply)
Pat, Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #6.2.1 - 2009-07-15 21:50 - (Reply)
I'm certainly not going to defend Sen DeMint's rather outlandish statements because as a typical pol he shades his remarks to fit the audience. I did e-mail his office and they said that the NPC owns the transcripts and have to be purchased individually. I'll check but won't make any promises. Comments ()
Pamela
- #6.2.1.1 - 2009-07-16 10:52 - (Reply)
Suffice to say that DeMint's communications director is now aware of this thread. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #6.2.1.2 - 2009-07-21 02:43 - (Reply)
No response from Sen DeMint's office yet. Gee, a politician that ignores questions. What a surprise! Comments ()
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