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Friday, December 4. 2009Rasmussen's 7,000Posted by Nanne Zwagerman in Transatlantic Relations, US Foreign Policy on Friday, December 4. 2009
NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen is promising that there will be 7,000 additional troops from 25 countries to support Obama's extended surge. Interestingly, one of the reasons he gave was the multilateralism of the US:
If we are to make Afghanistan more stable, and ourselves more secure, we must all do more. The US has pursued a multilateral approach to this operation. We must now demonstrate that multilateralism delivers concrete results.Several commentators have recently hinted that Obama should act more unilaterally, as George W. Bush did (in his first term and a half). Calling for abandoning the multilateral approach is premature. The way multilateralism is described by its fans and opponents alike is also too romantic. The fact is that the US is still getting things done by excercising pressure on individual countries -- but it's doing so behind the scenes rather than through grandstanding. If Rasmussen is able to deliver his 7,000, it should show that the Obama administration's approach to diplomacy has worked. Whether it really is as multilateral as it is said to be or not... Trackbacks
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John in Michigan, US
- #1 - 2009-12-05 05:19 - (Reply)
Assuming Rasmussen isn't over-ruled by someone higher, this is a significant victory for Atlanticism and for the Obama administration. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2 - 2009-12-05 16:01 - (Reply)
I think, using the new Armenian contingent of troops as an example, then nothing really has changed. The Armenians have promised a company sized unit that will not be involved in anything other than guarding an airport. This will simply mean that the ISAF and the US will have more soldiers, mainly American, British, Canadian and French available to do the heavy lifting. Comments ()
Nanne Zwagerman
- #2.1 - 2009-12-07 00:49 - (Reply)
On the killed civilians, the issue was that the defense minister lied to the German Parliament shortly before the elections. You're not supposed to get caught lying to Parliament in Germany. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1 - 2009-12-07 09:23 - (Reply)
I'm not to sure sending one two Marders as over watch was even considered for three reasons. The 20mm on the Marder is ineffective, the hull is not designed to withstand IEDs and since the temperature in September can still be in the 100 degrees F sitting in an non-air conditioned IFV with or without tropps is a non-starter. The happy truth is the number of civilian casualties in wars the West fights have been declining for over 60 years. And considering that the Soviets would have simply called in Hind gunships to strafe the entire area, while not excusing civilian deaths, does tend to show that NATO and the US are not just irresponsibly shooting at civilians. Comments ()
John in Michigan, US
- #2.1.2 - 2009-12-10 01:19 - (Reply)
"the issue was that the defense minister lied to the German Parliament shortly before the elections" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.2.1 - 2009-12-10 05:32 - (Reply)
Is the implication that if he had been treated like Adlai Stevenson during the Bay of Pigs that would have lessened the hoorah? Doubtful, often times the opposition will search out any mistake and then use any comment to delegitamize the whole endeavor. Comments ()
Pamela
- #3 - 2009-12-06 16:25 - (Reply)
I'll believe it when I see it. Comments ()
John in Michigan, US
- #3.1 - 2009-12-06 20:30 - (Reply)
The US and NATO have just made [i]very, very difficult decisions[/i] to attempt what should have been attempted much earlier. As frustrating as this is, I feel strong that it is too soon to start second-guessing. Comments ()
Pamela
- #4 - 2009-12-06 16:49 - (Reply)
Oh, and it gets better. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #5 - 2009-12-06 17:47 - (Reply)
wht's worth of if Obama already planned to leave the ground to Pakistan ? Comments ()
Zyme
- #6 - 2009-12-06 19:10 - (Reply)
Even if Nato one day leaves and hell breaks lose in Afghanistan, it was not for nothing. Instead by then the last of the Western governments will have learned that cruisades for democracy don't pay off. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #6.1 - 2009-12-06 19:38 - (Reply)
"“Nothing is more to be esteemed than aptness in discerning the true from the false. Other qualities of mind are of limited use, but precision of thought is essential to every aspect and walk of life. To distinguish truth from error is difficult not only in the sciences but also in the everyday affairs men engage in and discuss. Men are everywhere confronted with alternative routes–some true and others false–and reason must choose between them. Who chooses well has a sound mind, who chooses ill a defective one. Capacity for discerning the truth is the most important measure of minds.”" Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #7 - 2009-12-07 22:22 - (Reply)
Gorbachev was facing the same dilemn, adding more troops would serve to nothing Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #8 - 2009-12-12 02:22 - (Reply)
It appears that it is American ROEs in Afghanistan that should be worried about. The NYT has an article detailing a failed raid to capture a Taliban leader that took eleven different ok's and was eventually cancelled when he finished his tea. Comments ()
John in Michigan, US
- #8.1 - 2009-12-12 04:05 - (Reply)
Compelling read. There were problems like this in the Iraq counter-insurgency fight. Some of them were never resolved; but enough of them were resolved that we prevailed. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #8.1.1 - 2009-12-12 04:44 - (Reply)
I agree but unfortunately we appear to have an administration that has so little awareness of military doctrines that they will probably end up agreeing with more complicated ROEs. Comments ()
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