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Wednesday, September 28. 2005Iraq: Is the US giving up?Posted by Editors in US Foreign Policy on Wednesday, September 28. 2005
Numerous opinion polls indicate that more and more Americans are critical of the US government's job in Iraq, consider the war a mistake and demand a withdrawal of the troops.
14,641 members of the US military have been wounded and 1,911 have been killed. Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in April 2004, has galvanized the anti-war movement. More than 100,000 Americans demonstrated against the war in Washington DC on Saturday, while more than 200 demonstrated in favor of the war on the same day and about 400 people the day after. Some of the anti-war posters read: Make levees, not war; Yeeha is not a foreign policy; Blind faith in bad leadership is not patriotism; Osama bin Forgotten; Cindy speaks for me; Bush busy creating business for morticians worldwide; Liar, born liar, born-again liar; Pro whose life?; War is terrorism with a bigger budget. The protests, polls and fatalities are not the reasons, why Juan Cole calls for pulling out the ground troops now. The professor of history at the Univ of Michigan and Fulbright Alumnus describes numerous mistakes and disastrous developments in Iraq and concludes that the ground troops are not accomplishing their mission, but they are:
The US generals in Iraq are more upbeat about their accomplishments, but worry about the eroding political support for their mission and plan a slow exit, writes David Ignatius in the Washington Post:
While Prof Cole wants the US ground troops out now he later clarified that the US "has a duty to manage the withdrawal so as not to provoke a massive civil war. I suspect that can be done with a combination of continued training and arming of the new Iraqi army and air power." Others are skeptical whether US air power and the Iraqi army can prevent a civil war.
It is obviously in Europe's vital interest that the US led coalition succeeds in establishing stability and democracy in Iraq and does not allow Iraq to be the training base for the next 9/11 terrorists. Germany's Foreign Minister Fischer acknowledged at the Munich Security Conference in 2004, (exactly one year after his sharp disagreements with Rumsfeld about going to war with Iraq) that a US failure in Iraq would have severe negative consequences for the opponents of the war as well. Trackbacks
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Martin
- #1 - 2005-09-28 23:48 - (Reply)
I think the US is leaving Iraq soon, because President Bush told Americans to conserve gasoline by driving less. He also issued a directive for all federal agencies to cut their own energy use and to encourage employees to use public transportation. OK, he said that due to Katrina and Rita, but it could be a sign of the times to come... After all in 2000 he or Ari Fleischer said that conserving gas is not the American way of life. Comments ()
Sandra
- #2 - 2005-09-29 00:28 - (Reply)
Don't exaggerate the antiwar rally! Many protestors are just the usual leftwing nutcases nobody takes serious. And TV did not report about the protests anyway. From www.fair.org email: "If you relied on television for your news, you'd hardly know the protests happened at all. According to the Nexis news database, the only mention on the network newscasts that Saturday came on the NBC Nightly News, where the massive march received all of 87 words. (ABC World News Tonight transcripts were not available for September 24, possibly due to pre-emption by college football.) Cable coverage wasn't much better. CNN, for example, made only passing references to the weekend protests." Comments ()
Chris
- #3 - 2005-09-29 16:41 - (Reply)
After a complete US withdrawal, Iraq would be at the will of any power in the region that can control the air-space and enough of a foothold in the territory. Comments ()
Martin
- #3.1 - 2005-09-29 23:19 - (Reply)
This fast moving, light force might be able kill, but unfortunately won't be able to provide any kind of order and stability and will not be able to eradicate terrorist networks in Iraq. Iraq will be save haven for international terrorists. The US homeland would be increasingly threatened. Comments ()
Shawn
- #3.1.2 - 2005-10-01 07:20 - (Reply)
Aren't you completely ignoring the developing Iraqi forces? Comments ()
Wolf
- #3.1.2.1 - 2005-10-01 13:08 - (Reply)
Shawn, thanks your insightful comment. Re the Iraqi forces there are bad news according to the Associated Press: "The number of Iraqi battalions capable of combat without U.S. support has dropped from three to one, the top American commander in Iraq told Congress Thursday, prompting Republicans to question whether U.S. troops will be able to withdraw next year." Comments ()
Chris
- #3.1.2.2 - 2005-10-03 18:49 - (Reply)
I believe there are plans to draw down the force levels in both countries.One unfortunate thing about asking for a "victory" strategy is that the administration will insist it is operating with one already, which is at best debatable. The generals and the Iraqi government both want a US draw down, and one may be inevitable based on the limits of our armed forces. A great deal will rest upon the Iraqis, but the US can keep overt involvement from other nations at a minimum. It is a bloody mess, to say the least. Comments ()
Shawn
- #3.1.2.2.1 - 2005-10-04 08:22 - (Reply)
Thanks for your comments, Chris. Comments ()
Chris
- #3.1.2.2.1.1 - 2005-10-04 18:38 - (Reply)
Thanks, I think that would make for an excellent post on your blog and I am going to bookmark your blog now. Comments ()
Shawn
- #3.1.2.2.1.1.1 - 2005-10-05 00:18 - (Reply)
Yeah, I would say my Chicago analogy was a little oversimplified. Comments ()
Chris
- #3.1.2.2.1.1.1.1 - 2005-10-05 16:25 - (Reply)
Great comment about the Civil War and the constitution. I also enjoyed this comment: [quote]"The difficult thing about making comparisons with Iraq is that it is an unprecedented undertaking. Specific examples from history never fit completely and so in the end, we are all speculators shooting from the hip."[quote] I agree that this is an unique moment in history and comparing it to Vietnam or WW2 is silly and not helpful. But we need candid and deep debate to figure out a decent strategy with the potential of success. As for my "bloody" comment, I was playing with the word as it is in America with the word as it is in England. Comments ()
Shawn
- #4 - 2005-10-02 10:00 - (Reply)
Thank you for the link Wolf. I do believe that there are definately some fluctuations in the capability of Iraqi forces that should be of concern. But I think these fluctuations are natural with conflict, and in a long-term view, as long as they aren't full force degrading, should be seen as not problematic at the strategic level. The article you linked, unfortunately, didn't quote fully the upgrade in Iraqi force assessment standards that makes it appear the force is less effective when in reality the higher standards automatically reduce the operating level of most Iraqi battalions. Comments ()
Wolf
- #4.1 - 2005-10-02 13:45 - (Reply)
Shawn, thank you for the additional information and the links. The Atlantic Review is intended to provide informed analysis and comments on important issues from different perspectives. You contributed considerably to this effort. Thanks also for adding perspective by referring to the US troops in South Korea and Japan in your first comment. Comments ()
Chris
- #4.2 - 2005-10-03 19:21 - (Reply)
Defense has not released the reason why a battalion has been downgraded. Desertion has been a huge issue for the Iraqi army -- and is a strategic goal of the insurgency, so a degraded battalion, because of desertion, bodes some ill for the prospects of the Iraqi army. Disbanding the Iraqi Army en masse was a huge mistake, and a mistake that other occupying powers did not make in history. There is some good news with smaller tribes trained and equipped for select guard roles, which Chalabi has done to secure a pipeline. Comments ()
Shawn
- #5 - 2005-10-02 18:38 - (Reply)
Thanks Wolf for the additional quotes and clarifications. I agree that a government organization like the Pentagon is unlikely to change standards that quickly, more like on a bi-annual basis (every 6 months). So the downgrade is more likely a "moving assessment" similar to a "moving average" where some new data has forced such downward reassessment. But I continue to believe this is more tactically significant versus strategically significant in that the strategy of getting the Iraqi troops up to speed remains the same, but perhaps the tactics necessary to do so need to be adjusted--which I have read occurs on a regular basis. This interview of Donald Rumsfeld by Thomas Barnett provides some great insight into the leadership approach to tactical decision-making on the ground in Iraq: Comments ()
Shawn
- #6 - 2005-10-02 19:05 - (Reply)
I just found a great post in the link below covering a speech by General Patraeus at Princeton: Comments ()
fm
- #7 - 2005-11-03 03:21 - (Reply)
I believe the GOP and WH are looking for a way to declare victory and at least stop the dying of the american soldiers before the next election fight goes into high gear next September. Comments ()
Jorg
- #8 - 2006-02-26 16:01 - (Reply)
Shawn, you said the downgrade of the 2 battalions was a matter of "personnel changes." Comments ()
Chris
- #8.1 - 2006-02-27 02:13 - (Reply)
The latest report (.pdf) states that more Irai formations are at level 2 (capable of taking the lead without focused coalition involvement). The most important question remains unanswered. How long should we expect this to take (pg. 36 of the report): Comments ()
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