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Friday, April 30. 2010Who Are the Major Players in Transatlantic Relations?Posted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Friday, April 30. 2010 TIME Magazine has just published its annual list of the world's most influential people. Some strange results. I think we should come up with our own list. Therefore I am asking at atlantic-community.org: Who are the biggest movers and shakers in transatlantic relations? Who is setting the transatlantic agenda right now? Who are the most influential leaders and thinkers? I would appreciate your suggestions.
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David
- #1 - 2010-05-01 22:22 - (Reply)
In terms of thinkers I would suggest Tony Judt of the Remarque Institute at New York University. His book "Postwar" is the standard on European history after 1945. He is a passionate defender of social democracy. You can read an excerpt from his latest book - "Ill Fares the Land" - [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/books/excerpt-ill-fares-the-land.html?pagewanted=1&ref=review]here[/url]. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #1.1 - 2010-05-05 18:16 - (Reply)
While Judt is an observer, and is very interesting, I think he's been thinking a little too far outside the box for [url=http://www.signandsight.com/features/2024.html]humanism[/url], lately: Comments ()
Zyme
- #2 - 2010-05-04 17:28 - (Reply)
I know somebody who might have a decisive influence on Transatlantic Relations: Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1 - 2010-05-05 15:04 - (Reply)
By transatlantic, it requires that it involve someone across the Atlantic. Comments ()
Zyme
- #2.1.1 - 2010-05-05 22:35 - (Reply)
I beg to differ: He may be just another leftist measured in continental standards, but not given Britain's unique political landscape. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1 - 2010-05-06 15:02 - (Reply)
It's electioneering, just as it was when no. 10 made a "declaration" that the special relationship was over came 3 weeks ago. To boot, it means nothing, other than an observation of the meaning of those ties at this point. Comments ()
David
- #2.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-06 15:57 - (Reply)
[i]This is NOT the sign of a sophisticate ready to take on the world's problems, he's just a UK analog for the media-and-instiutionally-generated Obama effect. In fact neither of them, themselves, seem to show any natural capacity to be anything other than isolationists forced to hand an unusually large amount of tending to international relations thrust to appointees.[/i] Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-06 18:25 - (Reply)
Irrelevant. You want props for your guy, and are ignoring his wooden policy history with popularity with average consumers of media. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.2 - 2010-05-06 15:40 - (Reply)
YOu might find their [url=http://issuu.com/libdems/docs/manifesto]manifesto[/url] interesting. The "your world" section, which is the only thing resembling an international policy position I can find starts on page 56. It starts with "climate change" and rattles on about buying people double glazing and such, as if the savings borne on the homeowner to do this themselves as they've always had didn't exists, Comments ()
Zyme
- #2.1.1.2.1 - 2010-05-06 17:52 - (Reply)
" I'd love to hear his thoughts on Teheran's nukes." Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #3 - 2010-05-06 05:28 - (Reply)
Clegg, Judt, etc., obviously it's easy to forget that the biggest mover and shaker on transatlantic and transpacific relations is still Alfred Thayer Mahan. He expanded on the ideas of initial, post American Revolution, British overseas colonial empire and led American strategists to contemplate then construct an overseas presence that is not quite an empire. But has the blue water assets and naval and support bases to accomplish the same thing without having to actually run the countries it relies on. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #4 - 2010-05-06 19:21 - (Reply)
As usual Joe Nourry is manisfesting his "Intolerance" talent Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #5 - 2010-05-06 19:37 - (Reply)
Back to the topic, I would say Putin is still the major factor, Obama has but only contempt for the european elite, he show it many times. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #6 - 2010-05-07 05:34 - (Reply)
Putin? I might agree that he is angling to return Russia to some form of influence in continental Europe but the mere act of sending one missile cruiser to Venezuela demanded a constant screen of air cover which they couldn't maintain and four ocean going tugs in case of another breakdown. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #7 - 2010-05-08 02:22 - (Reply)
"I might agree that he is angling to return Russia to some form of influence in continental Europe" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #8 - 2010-05-08 02:49 - (Reply)
Since when is Eastern Europe part of the transatlantic dialog which was the subject of the initial question? Yeah, Americans are rejoicing so much at the ineptness of the Eurozone response to looming defaults that they decided to devalue assets by 10% in one week. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #8.1 - 2010-05-08 03:18 - (Reply)
"Since when is Eastern Europe part of the transatlantic dialog which was the subject of the initial question" Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #8.2 - 2010-05-08 03:21 - (Reply)
"devalue assets" ? how comes, the euro at $1,25 is worring you ? the thing is the lower the euro gets, it's still a good new for us ! Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #9 - 2010-05-08 03:46 - (Reply)
But neither comment addresses the question. What does Putin have to do with transatlantic relations or thoughts or the possible default in Greece and others in the Eurozone has had a negative affect on assets in the US? Not everyone is hedging against the Euro. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #10 - 2010-05-08 04:06 - (Reply)
Paterson, why are you keeping on challenging me if you are so convinced of your rightful thoughts ? Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #10.1 - 2010-05-08 06:01 - (Reply)
This is why sometimes I respond even though I know that you will not answer any question, polite or otherwise. When Gates spoke recently to the Navy League he cautioned the attendees that his vision of the future navy relied more on subs and smaller stealth craft. Not to be, as you obviously didn't realize or care to find out that he doesn't want the future USN, overly reliant on air craft carrier groups. He is arguing that the US essentially take a purely defensive posture and not project force anywhere in the world. The anti-Mahan so to speak. But then you might have to read the speech rather than making simply assuming such a weird misrepresentation of his thoughts. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #11 - 2010-05-08 14:52 - (Reply)
right, I just saw the title for Gates, and didn't look further, cuz this isn't my today cup of tea. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #12 - 2010-05-08 17:29 - (Reply)
Of course Mahan didn't address Germany as a continental power but he does talk about Germany's overseas possessions. Which could only be held by forward projections of naval power. The fact that they lost all their possessions quickly during the First World War that they couldn't reinforce them. And learning about Mahan involves more than just cut and paste from Wikipedia because a short bio can't do justice to his theories. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #13 - 2010-05-08 17:34 - (Reply)
That sinking, of unknown origins, was during a NATO exercise so I can only surmise that the English and French were also spying on the fishing fleet of Brittany. And since the US has acknowledged collisions at sea many times in the past isn't it just possible that the USN has admitted nothing because they were not responsible. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #13.1 - 2010-05-08 17:37 - (Reply)
"And since the US has acknowledged collisions at sea many times in the past isn't it just possible that the USN has admitted nothing because they were not responsible" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #14 - 2010-05-08 18:00 - (Reply)
Just last year there was a collision between a Chinese submarine and an USN destroyer where the incident, attributed to the USN, was mentioned within 24 hours of the event in 2009. But the one thing the Navy would not discuss was the exact location the accident occurred nor the disposition of the destroyer or any other nearby US ship. A policy that is standard with all the world's navies. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #15 - 2010-05-08 19:21 - (Reply)
But China isn't France ! hadn't the US navy not "apologized, Chiese retaliations would have ocured ! Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #15.1 - 2010-05-09 04:35 - (Reply)
What apology are you referring to as there is none mentioned in either the link or any where else? Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #15.1.1 - 2010-05-09 17:24 - (Reply)
"“We do not discuss detailed operational capabilities or locations of our ships,” 7th Fleet spokesman Cmdr. Jeff Davis said." Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #16 - 2010-05-09 17:54 - (Reply)
Are you admitting that there was no apology? A collision does not always result in a sinking and as I commented earlier the US acknowledged the accident immediately while it has refused to accept any blame or even admit there was a collsion with the Breton fishing boat. It was a NATO exercise not a spying mission as noted in the link you provided but seem not have read. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #16.1 - 2010-05-09 18:52 - (Reply)
uh, a NATO exercise between Europeans though ! Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #16.1.1 - 2010-05-09 19:45 - (Reply)
Probably because of whoppers like this that imply that the US did apologize because of a fear of Chinese retaliation. "But China isn't France ! hadn't the US navy not "apologized, Chiese retaliations would have ocured !" Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #17 - 2010-05-09 20:28 - (Reply)
uh not at all, but rather becuz you are so bored ! Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #17.1 - 2010-05-09 21:24 - (Reply)
So your idea of a debate is to misrepresent the facts because your donkey told you so? Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #18 - 2010-05-09 22:04 - (Reply)
"So your idea of a debate is to misrepresent the facts" Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #18.1 - 2010-05-10 17:56 - (Reply)
Actually, you are trying very hard to misrepresent the fact that there was no US sub in the area of the Bugaled Breizh sinking. There were French, UK, Dutch, and German ones in the area. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #18.1.1 - 2010-05-10 18:57 - (Reply)
yeah, Joe Noory, make it personal, when I only report papers Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #18.1.1.1 - 2010-05-10 22:54 - (Reply)
Oh! So it wasn't a lie because you were just joking! Okay, sure. All too necessary on a near eastern blog to claim some lie about abusive treatment by Americans.... After all, they're NEVER cruel to people in most of the near east. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #18.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-10 23:38 - (Reply)
how comes you're interested by my comment on a ME blog and was obviously addressed to an American that obviously the clever professor couldn't understand the context, but only the person to whom I made the remarck, and some persons on this ME blog who assisted to our dialogue ! Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #18.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-11 00:05 - (Reply)
Context: Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #18.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-11 02:38 - (Reply)
Where's the link? When I noted your remark it was all by itself. And since when is the Sudan in the Middle East? Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-11 02:50 - (Reply)
you have it since you commented on the same topic Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-11 04:34 - (Reply)
Did you even check if you could get a visa or simply blather on with some anti-American digression. Craig reported you for making what he felt was a credible death threat. Saying you'll hire someone is hardly likely to make him a friend which he denies. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-11 04:38 - (Reply)
After rereading that thread again only one person mentioned the ME and that was in reference to a Fulbright Scholar from Iraq having difficulties getting her visa. That's it no one else! Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-11 04:57 - (Reply)
Paterson, you're trying to win a windy argument, by childish means, I think you have a psycho problem, and you can prance as much you can, to look soooooooooooo intelligent, you're just a windy wimp Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-11 05:07 - (Reply)
I think that any dispassionate reading of this thread might just surprise as to who has attempted both to remain civil and provide verifiable sources. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2010-05-11 05:19 - (Reply)
what a smart guy you are ! LMAO Comments ()
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