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Friday, September 22. 2006Darfur: Finally some Transatlantic Cooperation to Discuss "the Next Steps"?Posted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Friday, September 22. 2006 "International leaders should be ready to meet soon to consider next steps," a spokesman for British Prime Minister Tony Blair told reporters, adding that no agenda or date had yet been set for such a meeting. He did not elaborate on what "next steps" meant but Blair has suggested a carrot and stick approach that included incentives for Sudan if it allows U.N. troops into Darfur.Organising a meeting of world leaders is not much, but better than the constant calls for the United Nations to "do something." Related posts in the Atlantic Review: Rallies to help Darfur across the United States. And in Germany? and Why is Abu Ghraib a cover story again, but not Darfur? and Europe's Moral Outrage. Comments
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Bill
- #1 - 2006-09-23 15:30 - (Reply)
This is a(nother) encouraging sign. I wonder what Tony means by "international leaders"? Egypt's Mubarak backtracked on his promise to assist with getting UN troops into Darfur before he could get back home after the 61st UN General Assembly Meeting. He stopped off in Khartoum for hugs and kisses with his good buddy President Omar al-Bashir and to declare that Egypt's government supports the position of the Sudan on the troops issue. Comments ()
Chris
- #2 - 2006-09-23 18:26 - (Reply)
The United States is considering an Africa Command Comments ()
mbast
- #3 - 2006-09-23 20:53 - (Reply)
Well, the problem in Darfur is twofold: first you've got to stop the "military" genocidal attacks. That can only be done by military intervention. No two ways about it: you've got to send troops and you've got to send a lot of them, and they ought to know what they're doing. Comments ()
JW-Atlantic Review
- #3.1 - 2006-09-23 21:49 - (Reply)
A new US Afrikakorps? Comments ()
mbast
- #3.1.1 - 2006-09-23 22:24 - (Reply)
Well, the problem with getting a negotiation solution is there are too many factions, and most of them are out of control. Plus a few of the factions are breaking up within themselves (infighting within the SLA is the prime example of that). As De Waal stated, they already tried the negotiation approach. There will always be one or another faction that will ignore treaties when it suits its goals. Also, when I said "military solution", what I meant was protection of civilians. You don't have to invade the whole country for that, you might concentrate on Darfur proper, try to stake out humanitarian safe zones where the civilians can go for protection (in the cities, for example, in Al Fashir and Niyala). Then you build up infrastructure for these zones. And all of that doesn't mean there can't still be negotiation. Comments ()
JW-Atlantic Review
- #3.1.1.1 - 2006-09-23 22:52 - (Reply)
> Well, the problem with getting a negotiation solution is Comments ()
JW-Atlantic Review
- #3.1.1.1.1 - 2006-09-23 23:01 - (Reply)
Is the African Union willing to fight the Sudanese military and the rebels? Comments ()
JW-Atlantic Review
- #3.1.1.1.1.1 - 2006-09-23 23:06 - (Reply)
What I also was told is that the African Union is not impartial. And that this was one of the many reasons, why they were supposed to get replaced by UN troops. Comments ()
Rosemary
- #3.1.1.1.1.2 - 2006-09-24 05:24 - (Reply)
No, they are not allowed to interfere with Janjaweed. Can you believe it? They are not under Article 7. All they can do is 'observe.' Why bother having them there at all, for crying out loud. Comments ()
mbast
- #3.1.1.1.2 - 2006-09-23 23:05 - (Reply)
Well, the bluff might have been called, but it's not like the EU couldn't do it. I'm not a military expert, but I'm convinced that if the EU (and I mean ALL of the EU, not just the biggies Britain, France, Germany) pulled together they could do it. BTW, this is just another reason why the EU defense initiative should be pushed and pushed and pushed. Comments ()
JW-Atlantic Review
- #3.1.1.1.2.1 - 2006-09-23 23:09 - (Reply)
I agree. We will be (or: are already) responsible for letting "Never Again" happen again. Comments ()
mbast
- #3.1.1.1.2.1.1 - 2006-09-23 23:25 - (Reply)
Perhaps you should explain that "Never Again" bit for the American posters around here: Comments ()
JW-Atlantic Review
- #3.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 - 2006-09-24 00:11 - (Reply)
You are right, but I did not want to make this reference to the Holocaust explicit, since the Holocaust was much different yade,yade,yade. And people get hit for making the wrong comparisons etc..."Genocide" might be a too simplistic view of Darfur, say some...yade, yade,yade. Comments ()
Brigitte
- #3.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 - 2006-09-24 11:32 - (Reply)
"Never Again" should be a more powerful call-to-arms in Germany than in other countries. Comments ()
Don
- #3.1.1.1.2.1.2 - 2006-09-24 01:52 - (Reply)
And *you* will probably blame it on Bush. Not you personally - but many Europeans will. Comments ()
Jay McGinley
- #4 - 2006-09-24 00:52 - (Reply)
Dear brothers at the Atlantic Review, Comments ()
Andreas Kiaby
- #5 - 2006-09-24 01:37 - (Reply)
Let my ask a question that intentionally aims to provoke/inspire/deflect the current discussion and also relates to a previous thread about what to advocate for Darfur. Comments ()
Rosemary
- #5.1 - 2006-09-24 05:00 - (Reply)
I understand your frustration, but I am glad to let you know that the big news organizations are reading what we are writing. We can make a huge difference, as long as we write about Darfur on a regular basis. Comments ()
Rosemary
- #6 - 2006-09-24 04:53 - (Reply)
Hi Jorg, Comments ()
Andreas Kiaby
- #6.1 - 2006-09-24 09:54 - (Reply)
I am sorry Rosemary, Comments ()
Andreas Kiaby
- #7 - 2006-09-24 09:57 - (Reply)
I have published a little more on the recent top-level meeting two days ago. Comments ()
Brigitte
- #8 - 2006-09-24 11:20 - (Reply)
Alex de Waal is strongly criticized by Gérard Prunier, a French Africanist, who wrote about the genocide in Rwanda and in Darfur. To summarize his criticism in Atlanti Review style: Comments ()
Andreas Kiaby
- #8.1 - 2006-09-24 11:31 - (Reply)
Hi Brigitte, Comments ()
Brigitte
- #8.1.1 - 2006-09-24 11:42 - (Reply)
That was Gérard Prunier's idea. Not mine. I am sorry I forgot the quotation marks. Comments ()
Andreas Kiaby
- #8.1.1.1 - 2006-09-24 11:58 - (Reply)
I just read the Prunier-article, and Immediatly posted it on my website. Thanks for the link! Comments ()
Darfur Daily News
- #9 - 2006-09-24 16:43 - (Reply)
UN resolution nr 1593 is the key to solving the crisis of Darfur. This resolution will never be implemented, as it seems to be, unless UNSC resolution 1706 has been implemented. This resolution will never be implemented as long as international community is looking for a permission from the Sudanese dictators to let UN peacekeeping force in Darfur. Comments ()
Bill
- #10 - 2006-09-24 17:57 - (Reply)
Wow! I am really impressed with all of the concern and ideas and participation in this dialogue about the Darfur Crisis. You see Jürgen, Atlantic Review readers really do care about what is going on down in Sudan. Comments ()
Jay McGinley
- #11 - 2006-09-24 18:38 - (Reply)
Dear brothers and sisters of Atlantic Review. Comments ()
Rosemary
- #11.1 - 2006-09-25 00:01 - (Reply)
Thank you, Jay! How nice it is to see you. Well, read you anyway. I received some e-mails saying this was only the beginning from [url=http://www.savedarfur.com/]Save Darfur[/url], but it did not seem too promising. Maybe? Could be... Comments ()
Jay McGinley
- #12 - 2006-09-24 18:51 - (Reply)
"Never think that a small group of committed people cannnot change the world. In fact, it is the only thing that ever has," Margaret Mead. Comments ()
Bill
- #13 - 2006-09-25 14:05 - (Reply)
This just in from TIME Magazine online: Comments ()
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