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Wednesday, September 19. 2007Ret. U.S. General Would Accept a Nuclear-Armed IranPosted by Joerg Wolf in Quotes, US Domestic and Cultural Issues, US Foreign Policy on Wednesday, September 19. 2007 John Abizaid, the retired Army general who headed Central Command for nearly four years, said according to Yahoo! News: "I believe that we have the power to deter Iran, should it become nuclear," he said, referring to the theory that Iran would not risk a catastrophic retaliatory strike by using a nuclear weapon against the United States. "There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran," Abizaid said in remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank. "Let's face it, we lived with a nuclear Soviet Union, we've lived with a nuclear China, and we're living with (other) nuclear powers as well."Totally unrelated: Gainesville Sun reports about a shrewed journalism student and the incompetent and brutal security service at the University of Florida. Many US universities are better than German universities, but here students don't get tasered, not even obnoxious self-promoters. Trackbacks
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Don S
- #2 - 2007-09-19 14:00 - (Reply)
The General's remarks were somewhat more nuanced than the part you quoted, Joerg. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #2.1 - 2007-09-19 21:11 - (Reply)
"there are few signs of imminent war." Comments ()
Don S
- #2.1.1 - 2007-09-20 17:06 - (Reply)
"there are few signs of imminent war." Comments ()
Don S
- #3 - 2007-09-19 17:16 - (Reply)
The General may be correct. I think the fear is that Iran is just aanother brick in the wall. If Iran why not Kenya? Uganda? Zaire? Why shouldn't Zimbabwe aspire to be a nuclear power and hold it's neighbors to ransom? Sudan's government could resolve the Darfur crisis - using a few nukes. Comments ()
pen Name
- #3.1 - 2007-09-19 17:53 - (Reply)
Yes, indeed. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #3.1.1 - 2007-09-20 05:44 - (Reply)
I sense some inconsistency with the rationale that Iran will use its nuclear weapons which supposedly it doesn't have because all these non-transmission lined facilities are only for power generation. A few months ago pen Name argued that Iran was fully capable of stopping an invasion of its territory via a forward defense in the Gulf and an inelastic border defense somewhat like the Iran-Iraq War. Comments ()
Don S
- #3.1.2 - 2007-09-20 16:59 - (Reply)
"If Pakistan nukers Tehran or Israel nukes Abadan, what should we in Iran do?" Comments ()
Zyme
- #4 - 2007-09-20 04:05 - (Reply)
Think of Gas and Biological means as the other weapons of mass destruction - although they are not as huge in radius, in how many wars have they been used, while how many nations had and have access to them? Comments ()
Mr. Bingley
- #5 - 2007-09-20 15:07 - (Reply)
Zyme, that's not really a valid comparison. They haven't been used because they are very difficult to control and they're really not that effective, tactically; there's just as good a chance they will kill your own soldiers as those of your enemies. A gas weapon, as you said, only affects a very small area and strategically it makes no sense with the negative political baggage that such use carries to use one if you're "only" going to kill a few thousand people. And since you can't control the spread of a biological agent or effectively protect your own people from it there's no reason to use one except as either a last gasp strike or because you don't care about the consequences. Comments ()
pen Name
- #6 - 2007-09-20 16:41 - (Reply)
Here is an interesting paper on the topic by Sir John Thomson: Comments ()
Don S
- #7 - 2007-09-20 19:17 - (Reply)
"but here students don't get tasered" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #8 - 2007-09-20 23:52 - (Reply)
In fairness to Sen. Kerrey he called several times from the podium to let the student finish his question. However it now appears that the whole thing was a setup to draw attention to that student's website. Where one could see several filmed confrontations with celebrities, average citizens and law enforcement geared to elicit either a verbal or physical reponse. One of which shows the student loudly pleading not to be tasered but trying to grab the taser from the policeman. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #8.1 - 2007-09-21 01:36 - (Reply)
"he had created a disturbance in the library" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #9 - 2007-09-21 05:32 - (Reply)
Owing to the amount of rapes, reported and unreported, and the number of robberies on campus and nearby, UCLA instituted a policy that all campus buildings open at 11:00 PM were closed to non-students or even any student without university ID. In this case all the students in the library were requested to show ID or leave. This particular student, who had previously been escorted off campus, this time refused to cooperate. Are you suggesting that an unidentified young male be allowed to stay in the library with dozens of individual students. Plus should the ex-Marine not tasered him and merely used normal police procedure by pain compliance? Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.1 - 2007-09-21 12:20 - (Reply)
Oops that was a typo of mine. Comments ()
Don S
- #9.1.1 - 2007-09-21 13:12 - (Reply)
Joerg, there is another side to this. I saw it on the Tube about a month ago. I was riding the underground when the train had to terminate short of the final destination. We were assured that another train would soon come by to take us the rest of the way. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #9.1.2 - 2007-09-21 14:20 - (Reply)
Ok, but the US crime rate(reported) is less than New Zealand, Finland, Denmark, the United Kingdom and we also beat out Germany and the Netherlands by a few hundred or so muggings. Comments ()
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