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Friday, October 5. 2007IHT: "The Jailing of Black America"Posted by Joerg Wolf in US Domestic and Cultural Issues on Friday, October 5. 2007
Orlando Patterson, professor of sociology at Harvard, writes in International Herald Tribune:
Regarding the first sentence in the quote: Nobody knows for sure how big Chinese and North Korean prisons are. Though, it is not much of an excuse to point out that these two countries are worse than the United States of America. Trackbacks
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Zyme
- #1 - 2007-10-05 11:59 - (Reply)
Did somebody consider that they might simply be less capable of abiding laws? Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #1.1 - 2007-10-05 12:24 - (Reply)
Please! Comments ()
Zyme
- #1.1.1 - 2007-10-06 00:34 - (Reply)
I did not say that I am sure of them being less capable in this regard. I simply asked whether this question is considered. It is utterly unscientific to say "they must be less capable and thinking different is wrong" - just like it is not scientific to totally rule out that they might be less capable in certain regards. Comments ()
Sonja
- #2 - 2007-10-05 14:33 - (Reply)
Being "born to single mothers - [is] undoubtedly a major cause of youth delinquency"?? Are we really back to these kinds of accusations again? Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #2.1 - 2007-10-05 15:41 - (Reply)
I think the claim is fair enough. (The professor might be talking about correlation rather than a causation though) Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #3 - 2007-10-05 15:08 - (Reply)
"it is not much of an excuse to point out that these two countries are worse than the United States of America." Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #3.1 - 2007-10-05 15:31 - (Reply)
Excuse for failing to reduce crime among "black communities." Comments ()
Zyme
- #3.1.1 - 2007-10-06 00:39 - (Reply)
A good point. My understanding is that a state not only has to watch that the citizens abide the rules but also creates a contentness in the society. Thus to some extend the potentially discontent have to be tranquillized so that social peace remains intact and order is kept up. Free Bread and Games do the job since the Ancient World :) Comments ()
Sue
- #4 - 2007-10-05 15:54 - (Reply)
The US has strict drug laws. That is the reason for the record number of incarcerations. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #5 - 2007-10-05 16:50 - (Reply)
Except that in the 18-24 year old category there are five times as many black males in college as in prison according to the US Census Bureau. The statistics are indeed grim concerning prison population but the trend is away from more blacks being in jail and more in college. While it is among Hispanic, mainly from Mexico, where the trend is toward more in prison and less in college. Comments ()
Anonymous
- #6 - 2007-10-05 17:40 - (Reply)
The problem is culture not race. Black statistically face a higher change of incarceration because African-american culture does not stigmatize prison to the same degree as Hispanic or white culture. This obviously a generalization and as anyone who has lived in the ghetto (West Philly and Harlem) for any period of time is aware of: the ghetto is the most religious place in America. You will be asked to leave shops for saying ‘shit’ or blaspheming. Hispanics on average are less likely to be incarcerated despite having achieved a lower level of education. Black culture generally as it is currently sadly constituted accepts ‘being sent down’ as socially-acceptable. Comments ()
Sue
- #6.1 - 2007-10-05 20:36 - (Reply)
It's interesting that a prison record is a reverse status symbol in hip hop and rap lyrics; no prison, no street cred. The mother of middle-class rapper Kanye West is a college professor in Chicago. Oh the shame! Comments ()
Anonymous
- #7 - 2007-10-05 18:28 - (Reply)
http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_277214611.html Comments ()
Anonymous
- #8 - 2007-10-05 22:03 - (Reply)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100202018.html?nav=pmv Comments ()
Pamela
- #9 - 2007-10-07 20:46 - (Reply)
Every study I have read for 20 years ends up attributing this to the breakdown of the Black family, beginning when welfare benefits were higher for families w/no father present. They stopped getting married. Comments ()
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