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Wednesday, October 31. 2007"The Fantasy of a Pro-America Europe"Posted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Wednesday, October 31. 2007
"Rumors of a return to trans-Atlantic harmony are premature for the moment," writes Niall Stanage in The New York Observer. He criticizes the wishful thinking by some arrogant US commentators. Instead of the term "arrogance," Stanage uses the euphemism "a robust sense of self-importance," which instantly became one of my favorite phrases:
Stanage ends with quoting a poll: "Seventy-seven per cent of EU officials and 74 per cent of Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) answered 'yes' when asked whether it was desirable that the U.S. exert strong leadership in world affairs. But the survey indicated that only 36 per cent of the EU public agreed."
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Axel
- #1 - 2007-10-31 23:47 - (Reply)
I'm not so sure if it's really arrogance or ignorance in the first instance. In my opinion, it's also some kind of readers' expectations that has to be fulfilled: painting a simplistic picture of the world, where good guys wear white heads and a country is either pro-American or not. Comments ()
Badboy Recovered
- #1.1 - 2007-11-01 00:54 - (Reply)
no they are not - thats what drives me crazy! Comments ()
Zyme
- #2 - 2007-11-01 01:01 - (Reply)
Well sometimes the choice can be easy: In case we like to have intensive entertainment in the evening news, we should all applaud the american efforts in leadership affairs. Comments ()
Badboy Recovered
- #2.1 - 2007-11-01 01:19 - (Reply)
"we"? You mean us! Comments ()
SC
- #3 - 2007-11-01 04:36 - (Reply)
Well Joerg, my take on Strange is that he's giving his own straw man a good hard whack. Do you or the readers here seriously think that Thompson or, if you prefer a more likely presidential candidate, Giuliani is persuaded by the election of Sarkozy in the belief that "Transatlantic Harmony" is now here or about to arrive? If so, read again the Foreign Affairs article authored by Giuliani and reviewed here not so long ago. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #3.1 - 2007-11-01 08:32 - (Reply)
Giuliani is not mentioned in the article. Though, his Foreign Affairs article exhibits many other examples of wishful thinking. Comments ()
SC
- #3.1.1 - 2007-11-01 17:34 - (Reply)
Actually Joerg, I'm not convinced that any but a few politicians or pundits - less sure what to think about journalists - actually believe that European elections are "nothing more than referenda on relations with America." I would highlight "believe" in that previous sentence. I write this because of my own, admittedly limited, experience about which I've written in the past: In conversations when this issue arises of European opinion/politics as it relates to US foreign policy, it has always been as an aide to advance a particular policy point by the people with whom I've spoken - as a means to score debating points. When to test the importance of European opinion to those who assert it I've pointed out evidence like that poll cited above taken among European politicians which can conceivably be spun against their point, European opinion becomes a bit less important. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #3.2 - 2007-11-01 08:34 - (Reply)
@ SC Comments ()
Anonymous
- #3.2.1 - 2007-11-01 18:15 - (Reply)
Oh Joerg, not as weak as I'm capable of. ;-) So, let's give a go here . . . Comments ()
David
- #3.3 - 2007-11-01 12:20 - (Reply)
Rudy Giuliani, when asked if waterboarding is torture, replied "It depends on who's doing it." In other words, if the bad guys (any non-American) use waterboarding, it's torture, but if the good guys (ie "Christian" Americans) do it, then it's "stiking a blow against Islamofascism." Comments ()
Zyme
- #3.3.1 - 2007-11-01 12:48 - (Reply)
"But what do we expect from a serial adulterer with a fondness for wearing dresses?" Comments ()
David
- #3.3.1.1 - 2007-11-01 16:47 - (Reply)
Hardly private. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8]Here he is in full drag[/url] kissing Donald Trump, no less! Comments ()
Zyme
- #3.3.1.1.1 - 2007-11-01 17:14 - (Reply)
*lol* Comments ()
Anonymous
- #3.3.1.2 - 2007-11-05 15:13 - (Reply)
"But what do we expect from a serial adulterer with a fondness for wearing dresses?" Comments ()
Anonymous
- #4 - 2007-11-05 15:41 - (Reply)
It's kinda unusual to see someone from the right doing what George Orwell said ... let's see - you know, by shall-we-say "rubbing" themselves with a news item. Comments ()
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